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A Fresh Look at Storage in Windows Home Server 2011 “Vail”

By on February 3, 2011 in News, Windows Home Server

The Release Candidate of Windows Home Server 2011 “Vail” is finally upon us.  With this release, a new kind of home server is showing its colors – a version of Vail with Drive Extender ripped from its feature set.  What does that mean to you and how does it affect your storage?

  • No drive pooling.  Each drive is a separate entity in the Windows Home Server 2011 ecosystem if one chooses not to use a RAID solution.
  • No native selectable redundancy.  If you wish to have data protection from the loss of a hard drive, you are going to have to look at a RAID solution.
  • No mixing and matching of drives. If you go with a RAID configuration, you’ll need drives of exactly the same type and size to build your array.

For some of you, RAID is the only way to go.  However, traditional RAID solutions require matched hard drives.  If you have 1TB drives now, and you wish to upgrade to 2 or 3TB drives, all I can say is have fun.  If you wish to experiment with non-traditional software RAID solutions that allow for mixed drives sizes, all I can say is have even more fun. My server serves the home, so stability is at the top of my list of desirable attributes in a RAID or DE-based system.  While DE had some bumps along the way, the current incarnation of Drive Extender in Windows Home Server v1 meets my stability needs.  As well as my need for flexibility.  To put it mildly, I am quite sad to see it gone.

The Windows Home Server 2011 Storage Experience

So, what does Windows Home Server 2011 look like without Drive Extender?  That’s right, with this release of Vail, the name of the OS appears to be official: Vail = Windows Home Server 2011.

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Of course, there still appears to be a bit of confusion when you open the “About” window.  We have Window Home Server Premium, Microsoft Windows Home Server, and Window Home Server 2011, all in one window.

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Once the system is booted up, we need to open the Dashboard.  For this demonstration, we’re using a VMware virtual machine installation of Windows Home Server 2011.

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Next, we need to go to the Server Folders and Hard Drives tab section, where you will find the Server Folders as they look now:

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and how they looked last April:

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There is not a lot of change in the Shared Folder names, however, you will notice the loss of folder duplication as an option from the previous version to new. We now also have a physical drive location for each folder, and “Free space” monitor vs. “Used space”.  Free space is a very important metric in the post-DE world.

Next, we move over to the Hard Drives tab.  Once again, you will see differences from new

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to old.

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Most of these changes are in the area of designation where the Release Candidate refers to physical drives using the traditional C, D, etc. nomenclature, while the old preview version used the named drive convention due to the DE pooling that no longer exists.

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  • Talex

    I would like to add a thanks to the author for an honest look at this, no fan boy talk, just a look from a V1 to V2 perspective.

  • http://esellerauction.com Kevin

    I had some major Data loss with WHS and was hoping M$ was going to figure this out I had really enjoyed using Vail but now I need to find a new option or go back to WHS until its not supported anymore, I have been a beta tester for all of WHS builds but the latest V(f)ail build wont go on my server? So greyhole, drobo Linux sigh….

  • Angelo

    Why is every one so negative.. I think i will use Raid5 voor WHS2011 en that in combination
    with 10 harddrive`s. Than you will have no problem with large folders or data loss. Even when 2 or 3 disks fail you will have youre data save. I think the most WHS users should read/learn something about raid. There are a lot of combinations possible, and it is user freindly.

    • DrewE

      You don't get it either. Grandma & Grandpa should NOT have to know about RAID!!
      For them RAID kills insects and has nothing to do with computers.
      Haven't you seen the TV commercials??

    • Talex

      If you are going to go that far then every user should learn Linux too, in fact why not just shut MS down and everyone can learn Linux and then there is no need for HOME server at all.

      Frankly the whole discussion is beyond belief with almost every pro-raid person trying to run Business apps on what by name and definition is not a business operating system, no wonder MS does not give a rats a** about WHS, it is just taking profits out of another product.

  • Talex

    What are they going to do for V3… Rip out PC backups and put a Red UI on it? Will be funny to hear the justification then, but there will be those who will try to.

    • Andrew

      lol, backups will stay, but media streaming will be removed. that seems to be the logical path if you go by microsoft standards

  • outrun

    Note to self: Don't buy anything from Microsoft that starts with the letter V.

  • Paul Phillips

    If you got a OS that offers Online Capacity Expansion on Software RAID 5 and install Vfail on that in a VMmachine then you'd keep storage pool concept and the ability to recover your data should the SATA controller die.

    It's a lot of jumping through hoops though!

  • Alistair

    Just using the trial of Acronis True Image Home and it seems to work in a very similar way to the backup in WHS for backing up client PCs. My WHS is going to be withdrawn now and I am just going to use a Win7 box. It will be a pain to manage the separate drives like I used to before WHS but it is doable using My Movies and SQL to update the file locations when drives are moved/changed. The only item for me to tick off is a daily backup of certain folders on the server to another drive which should not be too tricky.

    Bye-bye WHS! I thought you were great but you were ruined by Microsoft.

  • Kyle

    DE was a major reason I wanted to go to WHS. Couple that with my BIGGEST reason: automatic client backups.

    The only reason I can live without DE for now is because I don't require much more than 1 TB of stuff (for now). Is there an automatic backup alternative so that I could just use Win Server 2008 R2? I'd rather go to that than WHS2011. (Anyone know if there is a way to automatically backup clients to the server with 2008R2?)

    • Talex

      just schedule win 7 backup. or their are other produts, arconis is excellent.

  • pmdci

    I'm not upgrading either. Microsoft should just QUIT this niche market after the DE fiasco. WHS without DE is like a Nintendo Wii without its controllers.

  • pmdci

    I am likely to get a FreeBSD+ZFS running on my current HP WHS before I get Vail in it. Actually, I rather have DOS 6.22 + Windows 3.11 running in it before Vail.

  • Simon

    I’ve been holding out to build a v2 box. All movies are on unraid, so I’m only planning on using it for pics, docs, music and backups. 1tb should be fine for me.

    I therefore don’t really need de just yet, but my main concern is the widespread hatred towards this release, which may have the knock on effect of limited app development.

    Need an ms box for my movies, so I’m in a bit of a pickle.

    If only you could mount a network share in whs and use unraid, or export unraid to esata and pipe it straight in. Maybe someone’ll come up with an add-on for that.

    Does anybody know if you can back up to a network drive? USB is all well and good, but I’d like to back up to a box in a different room.

  • Adam W

    I think it’s sad how everyone just jumps on the bash MS bandwagon. As if you can’t respect them for saying “sorry we just couldn’t get it to work right”, and not releasing a buggy OS.

    Do you remember version 1 DE had a data loss issue pre-PP1? I’m sure you all do, since you were all the same people crying about WHY would MS release a OS meant for backup when it’s possible it could lose your data.. blah blah

    They couldn’t get it to work with the new Windows Server 2008 platform, a completely different animal. Get over it! I’d rather work a little harder to setup a folder duplication on multiple drives using already available software, and deal with drive letters than to worry that MS’ buggy DE is going to tank my data, or another clients. RAID is an option, so is MS’ dynamic drive spanning.

    I’ll upgrade b/c Windows Server 2003 is a dead OS, it’s not worth missing out on all the new hardware and software availability just because I now have to deal with a couple more drive letters.

    You hear that high pitched whining noise?! Yea, it’s Wegotserved.com and it’s non-common sense minions.

  • LaVike

    There seems to be two different camps on what a Home Server should be about. The first is a group that thinks it should be a box "that just works" and requires almost no thought in getting going and expanding. Then there is the group that thinks ease of use is stupid and that a Home Server needs to be able to run all types of services and provide NSA level protections and reside in a dedicated vault in someone's home. Unfortunately, MS resides in the 2nd group's camp and that really is all that MS understands. MS does not understand the consumer.

    If folks wanted to run Enterprise level services and hardware, then quit trying to run a Home Server. While running a "true" server might be technically better, do you really think that anyone who doesn't read a web site like WGS will jump on an enterprise level cost of ownership for the services provided in WHS V1? If you do, please post a link of any computer system, from a major OEM like HP or Dell that has a RAID card pre-installed in it. Does any OEM have plans to offer a RAID card in a Home Server?

    While RAID might be a better technical solution than DE, it is not a better consumer solution.

    • Talex

      you nailed it, between home server users there are a group that bought into the "protect, connect, organize and grow" mandate MS put forth (which is still on their site b.t.w.) and another group that said, cool we can install enterprise services on this platform.

      MS clearly never really had a clear direction for WHS or they would have locked the later out and forced server standard or SBS on these users and seeing so many SB running WHS instead of their more profitable product targeted at these consumers probably did not aide whs either.

      Bottom line WHS v2 breaks their own mandate and the direction V1 started and is now more a SBS solution than a home solution.

  • pasty2k2

    Im going the windows software-RAID 5 route for now as it doesnt cost anything, but will probably get a RAID card soon. The backup features are still worth it for WHS11, at least during the beta its worth it! Depending on how it performs I'll get a RAID card and see if its still worth going for Windows, otherwise I'll try open source on it all.

    At the end of the day, yes MS morally suck as they just shat on the community at large, but what did you expect? They are a business and will cut lifelines and promises if it means profit in the long run, regardless of the ramifications to you or me, who arent their responsibility. The fact that most/some of the things they do you may agree with in a business/moral sense, they do not care about you or your needs, unless it makes them money. Even if that means shitting on you.

    They've done it before and gotten away with it, they arent about to stop on a tertiary-grade product in their line up. That's not just MS but pretty much all businesses, technology-related or not. Perfect example from MS here though. Note, I don't condone it at all, just pointing it out for all to see :)

  • Marek

    I'm still at a loss to understand the level of backlash here. Those of us who have WHS now don't need to upgrade… which means we save money and time and effort… And those who don't have a WHS… won't know the difference and will buy a 3rd party solution.

    Honestly, I'd love to see this WHS11 debacle reinvigorate the WHS add-in community… perhaps galvinize someone to build some more support for W7MC, the other bastard child.

    All you hollier than thou people saying bye to Microsoft… that you'll show them… Ok, stop using W7. And WHS. Now. No, no XBOX either. And forget MSNBC for news. Oh, and may as well tell Bill to stop giving his money to the orphans… they don't need the Vail-blood money…

    Here's the real deal kids. The IT world has realized that the one source of profitability out there is the SMB space. And Vail spawned Aurora, which is the WHS11 sister OS, SBE. And MS will probably continue development on that platform for some time, because unlike consumers, who didn't embrace the WHS over the past couple years, SMBs will embrace their version.

    • Talex

      lol, I vote this for stupidest comment. MSNBC stinks, don't watch it, Xbox who cares, kids use it, W7 is pretty good, use it daily. No one is "showing them anything" especially their money on this product and the reason people are so pissed off is because they bought into the idea Microsoft sold them on (share, protect, organize and grow). No they release a product that ripped out protect and grow. WHS 2011 marketing should state "backup and ummm". Not to mention even at this point if they did put DE back in many would be very learly because clearly this product has no clear direction anymore.

  • Kevin

    DE is the only reason I have a Home Server! I will NOT be upgrading to this version. I only hope they will support v1 as long as possible.. by then maybe there will be other home server options.

  • sstickley

    so…. how long before someone makes a DE look-a-like as an add-in for Vail… then I may consider upgrading….

  • NH3MAN

    MS is totally out of touch. Windows phone 7 was an anomaly and has already reverted back to MS form. Look at how long they have taken for an update on its basic flaws to see that. Apple had theirs out in a couple of weeks. We are heading for 6 months. HaHa. MS has always given its customers what they think they need rather than what their customer's want. Like not having an "up" option in Windows 7 explorer. They say you don't need it no matter how many customers scream for it. I will not be upgrading because you shouldn't reward failure and MS needs to get their @$$ kicked for their arrogance.

  • LaVike

    I'm not sold that the small business community is that interested in trying to spend a bunch of OVERHEAD money on an IT staff and implementing RAID unless they are in the IT business. They aren't going to jump on having a solution that requires a bunch of non-direct costs to go against their bottom line. Small businesses are lean and mean they want uptime on their IT infrastructure at little cost. In my company, we didnt' move to a RAID solution until we were over 25 people. It takes a bunch of folks who are working on a direct charge basis to support an IT person on OVERHEAD and the company would probably rather spend that money on something that will give them a return instead of something that amounts to insurance like the current SBS/Home approach of MS. We don't even talk about Home Server customers.

    Someone please post a link, from an OEM's home products site, that is pre-configured with a RAID card. Someone please post the link of ANY rumor of an OEM thinking of selling a Home Server with a RAID card. HP's solution was about as turnkey as you can get and it didn't set the world on fire.

  • Blab

    It seems that people don't really look at the disk management at all but simply like to complain ;) While drive extender is more user friendly it is still possible to create spanned, mirrored or even stripped volumes with WHS 2011.

    So by using a spanned drive and a mirrored drive mounted to a NTFS directory you can create a system where all data seems to be on a single volume and some data is mirrored. It's not as good as DE, but at least you will never loose your data ;)

    Also this will look a lot better:

    Data Redundancy: V1: through Drive Extender. WHS 2011: through a RAID array, USING MIRRORED VOLUMES, or external drive backups.
    Additional Storage: V1: Drive Extender JBOD storage pooling. WHS 2011: adding a (exact same model) drive to a RAID array, or simple non-redundant drive addition, or SPANNED VOLUMES

    Size of Shared Folders: V1: limited only by the size of the pool. WHS 2011: limited by the size of a RAID array or SPANNED VOLUME (ie, the storage pool)

    • Talex

      No problem, let's all do this. Please do the write ups for setup and provide a phone number my parents, uncle, brother and sister can call you all hours of the day to get that setup for them and later for supporting it when they have a problem.

    • pasty2k2

      It's ridiculously slow to set up software RAID let alone recover with large disks. Mine has been going for about 2 days now on the first sync, 3x2TB RAID 5.

      While I agree that time is only a pain and this is a useful feature that works, where is the integration with the Dashboard? I thought we were meant to administer everything through that. On the previous beta I tried to only use that, and for the most part I could, only needing to install utorrent or extend the life of the beta really via RDC.

      This time around I have barely touched it outside of setting up the shared folders and a user. Need to use disk management to set up my volumes and recover from them, which is powerful but not user friendly for my mum/whoever. Then because RAID eats hard drives up quicker than DE duplication, I have no spare for the Server backup feature. You also can't select a network folder using Server Backup, only local drives. Some backup feature for a whole server – local only.

      So I'm using CrashPlan to backup to another box, which is outside the Dashboard obviously. I can't use the Server backup feature and it is still moaning at me for not being configured yet.

      I don't think my scenario is very atypical here, I have 1 OS and 3 data drives, want utorrent, data duplication on selectable folders (I couldn't care about masses of music I've only converted from lossless versions elsewhere as well as vids etc), backup of client computers with deduplication (this is untouched thankfully) and whole server backup to an external location in case the box goes up in flames.

      RAID isn't backup, and I would go further to say if the backup destination is in the same PC case or connected to it a-la external HDDs, its at risk if/when a problem does occur. Client computer backups are useful, but they need to be backed up as well as any shared folders too, otherwise its all your eggs in one basket if the server goes down.

  • Graham

    Think we can safey safe that home server 2011 will be killed off or never updated, just like what will happen to windows 7 phone. Microsoft are losing the battle for the consumer market and I agree with Paul Thurrott and as they cant move quick enough in todays world they should follow IBM and just mainly work with buisness. Like others here I shall stick with WHS V1 until someone else comes out with a reliable solution. When you consider you have to upgrade to x64 hardware for Vail and has to have a lot of ram and cpu power as from my own tests Vail WHS seems far more bloated and slower than WHS V1. yeah the interface is much nicer, but all that candy slowing things down in true MS fashion, and as others have said apart from the pc backup which I dont use anyway, whats the reason for using WHS V2 over windows 7? Maybe the WHS V2 addons if they ever come out I guess. You can tell from the comments on here, not many will upgrade and therefore why this new version will surely never go any further than its first version until its killed off, and as for that move a folder feature, what a mess. Fill up a terabtye drive then add a new say 2tb one and have to wait until the whole old drive is copied over, is that really the best idea they could come up with?

  • Tom

    Well, like just about everyone else, I will be sticking with V1 for the foreseeable future. Aside from just wanting to keep moving forward, is there really any reason to go to V2? I just don't see anything new that outweighs the removal of DE.

    I'm kind of toying with the idea of looking at Amahi though, anyone here using it? What do you think?

  • LaVike

    Someone who is a fan of Vfail, please post a link to someone from Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo, or any ANY OEM just discussing the possibility of releasing a box with the hardware capabilities that are being discussed here. No Newegg shopping lists. Is anyone even talking about releasing such a box? If there actually is going to be a robust WHS11 market, there needs to be some kind of turnkey solution.

  • mayhem

    No one asked the question " Ballmer said "lets look in to it" didnt he? is he still looking, did he ever respond again to your email? Is there still a chance for DE or a third party solution by release date?

  • TadZilla

    Unless they have plans to implement DE in v3, or a third party releases a solution, I'm sticking with v1 until I get the money upgrade my server, then I'll be switching to a linux based solution. While I don't think this was a smart move on Microsoft's part, I understand why, due to the issues they had with the first release of DE, they wouldn't try to fit DE into Vail. Regardless, I'm still upset… I was looking forward to the upgrade…

  • HGPilot

    Ditto to everything re: DE. I personally recommended the HP WHS combo to at least 20 home computer simpletons who didn't want to understand the beauty of WHS's ability to backup all home computers and provide peace-of-mind – they just wanted to purchase, install, and forget. Without DE – this is no longer possible….you've got to be a semi-IT expert to deal with manually backing up your backups, etc. Shame on you Microsoft – WHS is no long a simple solution.

  • jeff

    Although DE is not the be-all-end-all function in WHS V1, it certainly works well for most home users and in peticular me. I hope something is going to be released or ‘created’ in the community to duplicate or mimic its use. For now, I like V1 for the RAS, auto-backups and storage (DE as well). Until something is viable to upgrade to, I’m waiting patiently.

    Somebody above talked about Amahi… In print, it looks like the answer to all our prayers. I tried to launch in VMWare, seems to work up to the point of going for the addins to mimic WHS. Couldn’t configure them properly, let alone work… Thougth it may just be a quirk with VM so loaded on my ‘broken’ whs V1 box, as had nothing to loose anyways. Fedora 12 is the prefered distro BTW as the application support is limited in v13 & 14. I by no means am a NIX fanboy or engineer. I have an open mind to open source however I could only get about 75% of this project working then it just seems to not work as described (aka not work at all or as hoped). it is too bad the ‘help’ forums are jam packed with people (most likely 15yr olds that know its all….)just waiting to flame any legit questions to get things working right with your system. Instead, just telling you to use ‘google’ or flat out call you too stupid to use the ‘all-mighty nix’ distros.

    For now, I will stick with WHS v1 until there is no more support or I outgrow its functionality.

  • PeterLeJeune

    It was just so beautiful and they killed it! What is the use of WHS without DE?
    I will be using WHS V1 as long as my hardware will last and as long as a reasonable level of support can be expected from the community. Beyond that point I will definitely switch to Drobo, QNAP, Synology, NetGear or whatever.

  • SadlyDisappointed

    When did Obama take over Microsoft????!!!!!?

  • Woodgnome

    Thanks Microsoft – you made up my mind for me – I'm off out to buy a copy oy of WHS v1 and build my server around that

  • DrasticAction

    I too will stick with WHS v1 until DE is reinstated or a viable alternative arises. I don’t have time or inclination to tinker with RAID. WHS v1 just works… plug in another drive and away it goes.
    Such a shame. Although none of the new features is of particular interest, I was looking forward to the extra reliability and performance potential of Server 2008 R2 and 64bit.

  • berlinmama

    In the Apple world I'm already surrounded by, it make me very proud to talk about a visionary, intelligent and integrated thing… my server/backup solution, discussing my WHS 1.1. DE setup at home for a numberus family. Unfortunatly it is also over…

    On the other hand: Having this setupe with DE started to make me as a manager doubt about the costs of a professional server system I have to pay monthly for a small business. Maybe MS also???

    However, I concider it as a great mistake, a lost vision, lost trust in terms of costumer confindence and big loose in the field… Somebody there is underestimating all of it. Hopefuly at least the bonus for this manager will be recovered for a targeted release.

  • Ian

    This is a complete mess.

    I really thought Microsoft had learnt some lessons from Windows Mobile and Vista both of which bombed that they can not force the market to do what they want. This is the old arrogance of Microsoft rearing its ugly head.

    I would have some respect if Bulmer came out put his hand out and said we F***ed Up but bear with us and in 'n' months we will have this fixed.

    Only choice for me is to stay on version 1 and see what happens over the next 6 to 12 months. If I cant see a solution then I will ditch WHS and go with something like synology or something similar and will never ever go with anything other than windows or office from microsoft ever again. WHS was the first time i bought something from Microsoft other than windows and office and I guess I'm learning a hard lesson that that is all thats worth using them for…

  • mediadogg

    Thanks for this useful article. I have the RC installed in a test system, with on-board RAID, and have been evolving to the same conclusions that you have so aptly summarized.

    A couple of things I have discovered that I had original misconceptions about:

    (1) The WHS2011 data drives can be standard NFTS format drives. You can read them on any modern Windows system. I had misunderstood this before.
    (2) When you add a proviously formatted drive, even with data, nothing is lost. You can actually add folders to that drive if there is space. If fact, if you create a folder called "ServerFolder" and move your existing data under it, you can just add the existing data to WHS2011, folder by folder, and you will be prompted to apply permission settings.
    (3) Based on (2), there is conceivably a way to convert a V1 DATA drive to a V2 data drive, thereby avoiding a lengthy file copy process.

  • brian

    but just like anything else new windows OSes will bring about new windows servers, just like the business market…. how many businesses out there are still using windows XP because their too cheap or don't plan for upgrades in the future so they now use older tech that comes with inherinant (spell check) problems …. i'm not saying whsv2 is the have to way to go, if you still like using whsv1 stay with it to end of life, just remember that every OS now adays will probably have a 4-5 life before the newer one comes along….it's about time software started playing catchup with hardware as most ppl that buy i7's and the like don't even use 1/3 of the power of the computer. like anything in this world if you don't like it… don't buy it, but instead of whinning about it make useful suggestions, once again this is what the community wanted when it first came out —– RAID—— support. I will be setting up whsv2 soon as i have access to the software and will make a judgement for myself as i also have a whsv1
    Later peeps

  • Christopher

    I have 4 2TB external drives and haev been seeking a solution to back these up and have some faith that i will have a backup in case of failure. NOW I'm really confused as what to get….

  • rwelshe

    We are all enthusiasts here, with the normal enthusiasts wish lists. Realisticaly, how big a market is this? Don't think that MS has the incentive to continue this product, especially DE with all the increasing demands placed on it.

    Raid is widely supported across the industry.

    Learn to live with it.

  • http://imagineimedentrodeti.com Carlos Muralhas

    I allready jumped to a mac mini and drobo. I bought a drobo FS with 5x 2TB drives and with two drive fail redundacy have 5,5TB space. Cost me about the same as my WHS with almost 10TB space. For now I’ll keep both running, but WHS will die on its own. When that happens it’s the end of the line for WHS at my house. It was a nice journey from the WHS beta years but with a sad end.

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    Thanks for your support
    Big Car Company

  • GPMark

    Pay to upgrade without DE – no way! Pay to upgrade and a 3rd party addin to handle DE – no way! This is a slap in the face by Microsoft. I would wait for the next generation but I have about fully converted to Amahi and everything is working fine. Better than fine – streaming of works better and greyhole works just as well as DE. Remote access is better and easier to use with less customization. Price $0. Thanks Microsoft!

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