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Remotemania, What Is It and What Can We Do About It?

Remotemania, what is it and what can we do about it?

From the Merriam-Webster online dictionary come the following definitions.

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Remote: acting, acted on, or controlled indirectly or from a distance <remote computer operation>; also : relating to the acquisition of information about a distant object (as by radar or photography) without coming into physical contact with it <remote sensing>

mania: excitement manifested by mental and physical hyperactivity, disorganization of behavior, and elevation of mood; specifically : the manic phase of bipolar disorder

Combine the two and we come up with the Jim Clark online dictionary definition:

Remotemania: The feeling of disorganization, despair, and frustration brought on by the tray of remote controls required to manage your electronic media devices.

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The cause:

the tray of remote controls required to manage your electronic media devices.

The effect:

The feeling of disorganization, despair, and frustration

The cure:

The universal remote.  But not just any universal remote.  It has to be the *right* universal remote.  Which leads us to the next question, what makes the *right* universal remote?

The *right* universal remote:

The *right* universal remote must have the following features:

  • ergonomic
  • easy to change and/or add new components
  • anticipates problems
  • flexible controls
  • inexpensive

Perhaps there are more bullets to add here.  Some of the above could be considered mutually exclusive.  In addition, everyone’s idea of “must” is different, so you tell me if I am going down the wrong path.

The history:

Actually, it might be more appropriate to say “My journey”.

In the past, I have purchased remotes to replace broken OEM remotes.  Eventually, I bought remotes to replace these OEM remotes simply so that the original remote would *not* get broken.  For these applications, “universal” represented a term to indicate it could be programmed to control any device.  Key word is “any”, as in one.  In addition, in the early days of universal remotes, you were quite often stuck with the current shipping manufacturers products.  A new TV might not be supported by that old remote.

Which may have been fine when all one had was a TV to control.  In my current media setup, I have a:

  • LCD TV
  • A/V receiver
  • Cable DVR
  • Blu-ray player

Sorry, no extender.  No HTPC.  If anyone has read any of my previous stuff, this is my wife’s domain.  “You don’t mess with the Zohan” would be an appropriate catch-phrase here.

At one point, I was able to use the remote that came with the DVR to control some things.  As I purchased newer stuff, it’s ability to control devices went by the wayside.  So, I needed a remote that could be updated as I updated other components.  One that could control all my devices.

And so, the search began.

The players (manufacturers):

  • Universal Remote Control
  • Logitech
  • Interlink Electronics
  • Philips
  • Anyware
  • DIRECTV
  • RCA
  • Acoustic Research
  • Adesso
  • Elexa Consumer Products, Inc.
  • Genius
  • Gyration
  • JOBSITE
  • Monster Cable
  • Rosewill
  • TiVo

From the above list, some can quickly become disqualified as they are designed for “specific” functions, such as pointing devices.  Some can be disqualified as being specific to a single device.

What I wanted was a remote that could control multiple devices.  All at the same time.  One that could switch from being a cable-connected TV to a Blu-ray connected TV.

From my list of “wants”, the cost of for one of these devices range went from inexpensive to *real* expensive.

Yea! says the manufacturer of said devices.  More features means more cost to build which means more profit.  If one can get the consumer to buy the “good” ones.

My choice:

I do not wish to dwell on my search for the perfect remote.

Why?

The search was not very long in terms of the search.  It was long mostly due to timing.

Why?

First, Logitech quickly became to manufacturer of choice.  It just took time to find a reasonable price for one.

Why?

Logitech has some pretty good

  • marketing strategies
  • products
  • acquisition strategies

Logitech Harmony remotes are expensive.  They also happen to do just about anything you might want to have your media setup do.  I just needed to wait until they were on sale.  Eventually, a Harmony 550 went on sale at Best Buy at about 1/2 it’s normal price.  Instant buy!

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It was OK.  The remote could have been a bit more ergonomic, but I could control all my media devices.  And it cost me less than a $100.  If I bought a new component, I could easily integrate the new device.

Why?

The method to setup the remote was PC based.  As new products were released to the public, the ability to integrate said device was incorporated into the software.

Then my wife spilled water on the 550.  It actually still works. Mostly…  It has found it’s way into one kid’s room who needed a remote for his TV.

It was also nice that Best Buy also had another sale going on at that time.  This time it was for a Harmony 670.

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Once again, I was able to pick it up for about half it’s normal cost.  Better ergonomics, better screen, better control functions.  All for under that $100 price point.

Today:

Like the subtopic states, that is where I am at today.  Of course, I would love to have of the high-end models like the Harmony One.  Maybe the current pick-‘o-the-litter, the Harmony 1100 Advanced Universal Remote.

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For $399.99 list?  Not…  Unlike some people, I am not made of money.  More importantly, my wife can appreciate what that $100 remote can do for her.  A $400 remote?  Yea, right…

Besides, I can get a  Windows Home Server for that much money!

The end:

So what is the point of this article?  My question is: does there have to be a point?  OF COURSE THERE DOES!

The point is a question.  Perhaps 2.  Or more..

  • What do you use for a remote.  Universal or other.
  • Why did you buy your choice?
  • Would you buy it again?

And more importantly

  • Would you like WGS to expand our coverage of remotes?  And not just Logitech!
  • Perhaps do a few “Hands On”?

Let us know!


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About Jim Clark

Hello. I’m from the heartland of the U.S. Lots of corn and beans, although Iowa is a lot more than just farmland. It also has a few computer enthusiasts (no, not me!). I’ve been around PCs since I got my 1st PC XT aloooong time ago. WGS is one of the first sites I found centered around WHS. And the best. Every once in awhile, I do get away from the KB and enjoy time with and my wife and our 4 kids. And I do have a day job.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dave_Marchant Dave_Marchant

    Jim,

    I feel your pain!! I have tried a few 'Universal' remotes, but you buy a new bit if kit and all of a sudden you are back to square one. I haven't quite gone to the UK equivalent of $100 yet, but I can start to see the advantages of one you can program through the PC / Internet. I am fed up with getting 'universal' remotes that end up missing just one or two functions so you still have to have the original handy for that odd occasion.

    Do we cover on WGS? I think with Media Extenders and the like, we could find it a relevant subject. In an ideal world, I would like a 'wireless' remote that talked to the WHS which then sent the correct commands out to whatever device needed controlling (with maybe a universal wireless to IR converter?).

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jim_Clark Jim_Clark

      OK Dave. If I get somthing to review at some point, I am going to have it sent to you to do the review.

      Sound OK to you??? ;)

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dave_Marchant Dave_Marchant

        I'll give it a go. You have got me looking at the Harmony devices. I alway thought they were OTT, but they start in the UK from under £50. Started running through the compatibility check and got all green ticks on 10 devices where I knew the model numbers.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/tezzer Terry Walsh

    I love my Harmony One. Massive WAF, too….

    • fasthair

      OK I know I'm going to regret this but… what is WAF?

      fasthair

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jim_Clark Jim_Clark

        Wife Appreciation Factor ;)

        • fasthair

          No wonder I didn't know what that was! I'm going to have to go with the GFAF :) Might have to get two of these now. She's a gadget nut too.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jim_Clark Jim_Clark

    WAF: that should have definitely been one of my bullets. ;)

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dave_Marchant Dave_Marchant

      I need WAF. Living room has 5 remotes, dining room has 3 and bedroom has 3! And some of those are universals?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jim_Clark Jim_Clark

        I feel someone opening their billfold.. ;)

        3 rooms are going to need 3 remotes. Logitech is going to love you! Not that Logitech is the only game in town. They are, however, the most well known.

        And perhaps Harmony is in a league of their own? Must peruse some websites…

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dave_Marchant Dave_Marchant

          I have tried a few from the 'One For All' range but probably never gone high enough to get the full range of features necessary. I guess they are always progressing too.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jim_Clark Jim_Clark

            Just to give you an idea, when I push the TV button, my TV (set to HDMI 1) turns on. My A/V receiver turns on tuned to the appropriate optical audio input. My DVR is set to always stay on. My DVD player (if on) turns off.

            When I push the DVD button, my TV (set to HDMI 2) turns on. My A/V receiver turns on tuned to the appropriate optical audio input.

            And it takes longer to install the software then it does to program the remote.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dave_Marchant Dave_Marchant

            just read some reviews of the latest 'One for All' devices and it seems they still have problems. A Harmony sounds just the thing to add to my Xmas list. What model did you go for?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jim_Clark Jim_Clark

            The 670 is no longer on the Logitech website. That 700 looks sweet for the price. Perhaps keep your eye out for a sale?

            The 510 is similar to the 550 I used to have, but I would hold out for the 700. Of course, since I am looking to spend "your" money now, there is always that 1100…

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Dave_Marchant Dave_Marchant

            When I look at the high street and mail order suppliers, there are a whole bunch of different ones – 515, 525, 555 – which seem to be good mid-range, controlling 5, 15 and 25 devices. Maybe we had better let some other comment as we are heading for more input here than in your article above.

          • http://twitter.com/Arteekay1 @Arteekay1

            I found the advanced setup to be a pretty time consuming. For example, I've got a motorola DTC6516 for Shaw cable (Canada), it added about 6 pages of addtional buttons that have no purpose. Deleting the useless ones and reorganizing the pages is downright painful with the up/down arrow system.

  • Jody

    I have a Harmony One and its great – controls a Yamaha AV receiver, Xbox 360, Sky HD, and Philips LCD. Only issue that I have is that it sometimes does not change the TV to the correct input, so I keep the TV remote handy.

    http://www.dabs.com/products/logitech-harmony-525…

    Jody

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jim_Clark Jim_Clark

      I sometimes have that problem. Click on the Help button. That works for me 99% of the time.

    • Arteekay

      resending the input command is the first thing the help button does, then walks through any other issues with the activity.

      If it misses changing the input a lot of the time, check the tv input setup, there's two or three different methods.

      As well, there's always the device button to directly control a device outside of an activity. change to your tv device, change the input and hit the device button again to go back to the activity's control scheme.

      HTH

      Arteekay

  • fasthair

    Thanks Jim. I knew I needed one of these but never really looked into it until after reading this. For now I will leave the Logitech 700 in my shopping cart at Newegg and see if I can find an online coupon and get it cheaper. I'm glad I don't have a wife I need to explain why I *need* one of these : )

    fasthair

  • KevinG

    Philips pronto. Even the original tsu1000. They can be found used on ebay for about $50, They are worth every penny. You get to design the screen, and the possibilities are nearly endless.

  • UP7500

    I am a Harmony convert. Bought my first one almost 10 years ago. Used it so much that it died after five years. Now I have 4 of them. A 510, 550, 670, and I think an 879. Can not beat them if you have multiple items to control at once. One topic to connect it to a WHS is that some of them even control lights and other items in a home automation system.

  • arteekay

    I took the exact same path as you, only difference was I was dying without dedicated page up/page down buttons, which the 670 has over the 5xx series.

    Couldn't go back to anything else.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/urmaster urmaster

    If only these could control the PS3 I'd be sold

  • Quint

    Harmony remotes are junk and the endorsement by WGS is a reason why you shouldn't cover them. Poor ergonomics and weak programming platform are hallmarks of Logitech;s product.

    Universal Remote, RTI, Nevo, Pronto all produce significantly superior product … not necessarily price prohibitive by comparison. There are distribution issues and restrictions on online sales which would impact upon a thorough review … but your simplistic approach to the issue underscores how ill-suited WGS is for this type of product.

    WGS is an awesome site for WHS related issues. It should stay away from areas where much better resources are available (eg. Remote Central, Digital Home Canada). Your love for Harmony speaks volumes as to why.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jim_Clark Jim_Clark

      Wow! You must like to spend skads of dough on remotes to be able to make a statement like that! Hats off to you! :)

      Regarding your resources, I see that Remote Central is not a Logitech fan either. I see nothing relating to remotes at Digital Home Canada.

      I am truly sorry that you interpret my experience with Logitech remotes as love/endorsements. Perhaps I and the WGS readership would like to learn more. Not just about Logitech remotes but about the alternatives. I guess in Podunk, Iowa there are just not a lot of alternatives to the Logitech juggernaught.

      Or perhaps I would prefer to keep an open mind on all remotes. Which was the point at the end of the article.

      • mykie

        Just as with any popular item like the Harmony remotes, for every 10 fans, there's one steadfast curmudgeon that lends credence to the old adage "You can't please everyone."

        For my two cents, I've tried a variety of Prontos, RCAs, and Universals, only to come circling back to Harmony for its high WAF, detailed activities, flexible programmability, and accurate state memory.

        • Quint

          Sorry … I don't need to be personally insulted for stating what it pretty much accepted fact. At Remote Central, at Digital Home Canada, at AVSForum, etc.

          Harmony has a couple of good products (the One and the 900) but they are not price competitive with similar offerings from URC or Pronto. Nor do they provide anywhere near the "flexible programmability", or "detailed activities" of a URC, UEI, RTI, or Pronto remote. As for "accurate state memory", URC's activity based remote (the MX-810) has that too, and every model above it can be programmed using variables with better state accuracy than any activity based remote. RTI, UEI, and Philips all make remotes that handle variables. I will admit that programming variables is more challenging than wizard based remotes, and that's a fair argument.

          The One could be a fantastic product, but at that price point, no RF is inexcusable. The 900 is close to being a fantastic product, but is limited by the web-based platform Logitech uses. A stand-alone editor capable of unleashing the potential of the 900 without being married to the limitations of 5xx, 6xx, 7xx, and 8xx remotes might do it … but Logitech won't go that route.

          Although the ergonomics of the One/900 are pretty good, can anyone truthfully say that the ergonomics of an 880/890 are good? Even decent? How about the teeny, tiny, little buttons on the 520/720?

          Build quality on Harmony remotes is decent, but not better than sector. Actually, quite poor on the 880/890 and certain other models … quite good on the One. Very inconsistent.

          For less than a Harmony One, you can buy a URC MX-810 which supports RF, has amazingly good ergonomics (maybe the best of any wand style remote) and much more power than any Harmony. It also has rock solid state memory, detailed activities, custom graphics, flexible programmability, and killer WAF.

          My point is that it is aggravating to see an article purport to arrive at the solution for the "right" remote after playing with two Harmony products. When it comes to WHS, I view WGS as an authority. If it is going to stray into other niches, it should strive to apply the same "authority" standards. Otherwise, the quality and reliability of WGS as a resource for WHS becomes suspect because I look at the substance of this column and the associated comments and conclude but one thing: these people don't have a clue what they are talking about.

          This wasn't a forum post. This was an article on the main page. That carries with it the reputation of WGS and it detracts, in my view, from that reputation.

          Sure if you want to spend less than $100, there is no better product than Harmony. But, you don't have to spend $400 to get into a product that is substantially better than anything Logitech has offer.

          As far as my personal experience goes, I have used/played/reviewed (yes reviewed) remotes over the years including: Marantz RC2000MKII, HK/MS Take One, Pronto TSU500/TSU9200, Harmony 550/720/880, URC MX-700/900/810/980/5000. Some are expensive and required a certain degree of programming skill, some are outstanding value.

    • buzzword

      You make the statement that “Universal Remote, RTI, Nevo, Pronto all produce significantly superior” in what ways? You provide absolutely no basis for the statement other than your own subjective opinion, not to mention the products mentioned are geared toward a wholly different market, AV geeks and tweakers.

      I have a Harmony One I’ve been using for the last two years or so and it works perfectly, controlling a Pioneer Elite AV receiver, Series 3 HD Tivo, Sony flatscreen TV, DVD player and XBox 360, it was expensive but certainly not out of reach, I consider it money well spent, *and* my wife loves it.

  • Kenny

    I couldn't live without my Harmony. About a year ago I bought an 885 to replace my original 525 that had finally gone belly up following some colossal abuse from my daughter. It controls my Media Centre, LCD, Amp and XBox 360 without missing a beat.

    The 525 was much cheaper … and I prefer it to be honest. I don't get on particularly well with the Tivo-style shape of the 885 and some of the buttons are placed to look good rather than be conveniently located.

    Get one … you won't regret it. In the UK, at any rate, they often come up pretty heavily discounted. I've certainly seen the lower-end models go for around £30.

  • Dave

    I started with an original Microsoft IRIQ remote…
    Then switched to Harmony and have never looked back. Currently I use a Harmony One to control the following – Yamaha RX-V661 as a pre-pro (Emotiva UPA-7 amp), PS3, Toshiba A2 HD-DVD player, DirecTV HD-DVR, HTPC, and a HDMI switch from Monoprice.
    Whole family loves this setup.

  • Buddy

    <Part 1> We got our first HD TV in 2000, it was a 54" RCA. We already had a Cablebox, a DVD and a VCR. When we got the TV a few weeks later we got a Sony surround system to go with everything else. I was over at a friends home a week or so later and he had a HomeTheater Master MX-500 sold by Universal Remote Control. I was blow away the way it ran everything and he told me that the remote was just a cheap remote, I think it was $100 bucks, but what made it work so well was an add-on that you could buy called a IRClone-MX. This was a IR receiver/programmer that hooked by a USB to your PC with some software that make programming the remote a breeze.

  • KTMFactoryRider

    <Part 2> In the past nine years it has run three different TV's, regular and HD/DVR cable boxes, regular and HD DVR satellite boxes by Dish and Direct TV, two different surround systems, runs the component stereo, an old 400-disk CD player and two remote A-B switches! It will shut down everything to change to the PS3, just not make it work. Just push a button, it works and works great. Even my wife loves it. Now with everything done with color displays, I wish the display was a little larger and the display was in color.

    Matter of fact it worked so great that they stopped making it and whoever made the IRClone stopped making or distributing it. I have mine and don't know what to do the day it craps out. I guess I'mm have to look at one of these new fangled ones you guys have. <GRIN>

  • Buddy

    <Part 3> I would buy it again in a heartbeat!

    Next question… It would be fun to have a spot to talk about remotes but really I have alway gottem my info from Remote Central. It is going to be hard to compete. I would rather see a section just devoted to extenders. There is so much disjointed info about them but no primary clearinghouse about them.

    I'm happy with anything you guys do, I really enjoy the site!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Jim_Clark Jim_Clark

      hmm. Me thinks I need to learn more about Universal Remote Control. That is one nice testimonial! Thanks for sharing that.

      And I (and WGS) have no intention of competing with Remote Central. IMO, Univeral Remotes are an integral part of the digital home and deserve a bit of exposure on WGS.

  • firewater88

    I actually have (2) harmony 880's. I bought my first one when we moved into the new house. I loved it. We where broken into a few years back, they pulled everything out of the media center but only took the remote (and charger) and speakers off the wall (I have since upgraded the home theatre). I claimed it on insurance and got a new one a few months after. Just before I got the new one, a friend bought us a refurbished one (I think i converted them over to it and they felt bad that we lost ours). Now the refurb one is in the basement and the new one is on the main TV. I control a Toshiba 46", PS3 via ir2bt, Yamaha receiver and a Motorola cable box.
    I love the web interface for set ups. The way you can program things is great. Even my 6yr old can use the remote pretty good. The one thing I wish I did was go with the 890 that has RF, but it was too expensive at the time. I will say this for Logitech, when I bought the new one the Enter button kept popping off after a week of use. I called and within 3 days I had a new one on the doorstep and was able to keep the defective one. That means that I have a spare charger and new battery for standby.
    On a side note, when I called Logitech to remove the stolen remote from my account and add the new one, she lead me to believe they could track when that remote was plugged in and activated. But there was some stipulation or time frame on it.
    I recommend a universal remote, my pref is the Logitech line, there are many out there and certainly one that will fit your needs.

  • http://www.compiledreality.com Tom Wilson

    I have another idea, as well: the usb-uirt. You can think of this as "a universal remote plugged in to your computer. With that, a free program called "EventGhost", and ANY PC remote (I prefer the Gyration Media Remote), you can essentially roll your own remote to control any IR controlled device near your computer. I have mine programed to set up my TV and home theater receiver for games, on-line video (with my computer), DVD's, and even my old VHS VCR.

  • http://albal21.wordpress.com Al West

    I picked up a Harmony 525 second hand on UK eBay for £20 in perfect working order. So they are not hard to come buy – and it still has all the features when it comes to programming than its bigger brothers. Certainly the best buy in my entertainment system.