What is a Windows Home Server?

Perhaps this subject has been breached previously, perhaps more than once.  Is a WHS just a backup appliance and central repository for data?  Or is it more?

It depends on what you purchased one for and what you want to do with this OS, which is the cheapest server OS in the Microsoft line-up of server software.  Based on SBS 2003, it is a full-fledged server OS.  Microsoft removed, disabled, or turned off various features that are part of Big Brother.  Depending upon how familiar you are with a server OS and/or how many hoops you want to jump through, it can be made to do many of the functions of SBS 2003.

But why?  Perhaps the most common answer would probably be “Because I can.”  But should one do so?

Brendan Grant has been active in the WHS scene for quite some time.  He has written several add-ins for WHS and he is currently a member of the Microsoft WHS team.  He has written a article on his Blog site that explores one specific feature that WHS users try to extend their WHS to be able to do: Why not have email in Windows Home Server?

It is an interesting read and I have no desire to repeat the article here.  Please click on the link for the full article.

A couple of points he does make are worth repeating here, though.

Of those users with broadband internet connections (the target market for Windows Home Server) 86% were already “very satisfied” with their existing email which is pretty significant considering that when you broke down what services respondents were using, about ~50% of those using their provided ISP account, while another ~50% another uses one of the major web mail providers (Hotmail, Gmail, etc). Note that these two groups are not mutually exclusive as there company email and existing vanity domain based email and there still exists plenty of room for overlap.

Back then For those who want email on their own vanity domain one would have to contract with a company for web hosting and get the email included or use a straight email provider, both of which would likely cost them a few bucks per month. If they wanted a more advanced mail server (like Exchange) they would likely pay significantly more.

Which is probably a good portion of the reasoning Microsoft used in not providing this capability.  And to continue:

Practically speaking… consider this hypothetical case:

Imagine you have a house/apartment fire and on your way out, after making sure the kids and spouse are out the door ahead of you, and that the dog and cat are safe, you stop to grab your Windows Home Server knowing that even if the desktops and laptops go, you’ll have all of the files and backups you need… what then?

Even if your home isn’t a complete loss, you may not be able to setup your email serving Windows Home Server there again right away due to the possibility of water damage or electrical issues. Where do you run your server in the mean time? The in laws house? The hotel room? Tethered to your cell phone?

These are the kinds of issues that the average data center and/or enterprise has to think about in order to provide a given level of reliability and is not something a Home Server owner, even an advanced one should have to think about to ensure that they can keep sending and receiving email.

There is more to this article, please read it.  One point that I do gather from this article (reading between the lines, or perhaps my own opinion), is that WHS is a backup appliance.  Once you incorporate features that go beyond this intent, it becomes less of a backup server and more of a full-fledged server.  Obviously, the cost of upgrading WHS to a full-fledged server is more than the cost of a user adding unintended functionality to WHS.  But once done, you no longer have a backup server, you have a server that needs to be backed-up.

Thoughts?


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About Jim Clark

Hello. I’m from the heartland of the U.S. Lots of corn and beans, although Iowa is a lot more than just farmland. It also has a few computer enthusiasts (no, not me!). I’ve been around PCs since I got my 1st PC XT aloooong time ago. WGS is one of the first sites I found centered around WHS. And the best. Every once in awhile, I do get away from the KB and enjoy time with and my wife and our 4 kids. And I do have a day job.

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  • http://geocline.net/ smadge1

    It’s Microsoft’s fault for basing WHS on a Server product…

    We want it to do more, be more.

  • Newbee-WHS

    I tend to agree with some of the points made in the article that WHS is first a backup system, but as stated by many it needs to be more and can be more and SHOULD be more, much more. The issue will be for many ” where is the fine line that separates it from being a full business Server” and the Home Server. But let’s not forget we do call it WHS Windows Home Server, and in the home and with “Server” in its name it can and should “Serve”, serve pictures, video, movies, entertainment services…. and more…. but for the home not the Enterprise.

    The struggle with many will be and it will vary depending on who you talk to… aligned WHS with its name “Windows Home SERVER”. And that very very fine line will be tugged from all sides from time to time.

    But that is what is so exciting about this product…and why we love it so much.

  • http://www.hodgkinshistory.com/ Mike

    It started as a backup and file server. Now, it is desired to be a media server which involves some more than just hosting media but also streaming. HP gets it but MS should also.

  • JonB9

    Microsoft needs to focus on the “HOME” part of the name. WHS works well when it runs 24/7. However most home users do not need a 24/7 instant access enterprise type product. I use an HP EX485 to backup 4 clients. This works well if the server is running 24/7. HP has done a great job of adding power management to allow the EX485 to wake for backup and shut down when backups are finished. Unfortunately when “Enable Daily Sleep Time” is checked, client backups are not consistent. During the backup time WHS may backup 1 or more clients on a random basis.

    Microsoft needs to address power. We don’t need another appliance that wastes electricity when it is not being used!

  • Jim Clark

    Keep the comments coming. It is my understanding that MS people do read WGS site stuff, so here is another avenue to their ears.

  • Andrew

    He talks about Windows Live Admin Center but I have never seen any mention on how to get this to work with a xxxx.homeserver.com domain.

  • Jim Clark

    @Andrew – I wrote a comment to Brendan regarding this feature. Hopefully, he can provide some additional information about this.

  • http://blogs.msdn.com/brendangrant Brendan Grant

    (posting to both blogs)

    At present there is no way to have ones *.homeserver.com domain name work with Windows Live Admin Center as when it comes to *.homeserver.com names, all we support are A records, not MX.

    In theory with a little backend and UI work on the Microsoft end, a user editable MX record could be exposed… but is this worth it to the average user? Probably not as if you are going to go with a vanity domain for email… why go with third-level name like smithfamily.homeserver.com when you could do second-level name like smithfamily.com?

    Instead I would argue that this is an opportunity for an enterprising company (or individual) who wants to provide their own dynamic DNS service back to one’s Home Server (and that integrates with the Console), provides a SSL cert for secure access AND an MX record (and/or hosted Exchange?). For note some Windows Home Server OEM’s offer their own options for domain names in addition to *.homeserver.com, however I know of none that offer an MX as well at present.

    It’s worth noting to that all of what I described above can be done today for free or a couple of bucks with services like DynDns, No-IP, ZoneEdit, etc, just to name a few… just none offer the clean integration with the Home Server Console… which could be achieved with a bit of UI and plumbing code.

  • Troyfrezze

    As far as email goes to me with a home server, I would just like the ability to share contacts and calendar data with my wife…with me anywhere in my home. I have my own system, and I built one for my wife so she can be online and do her stuff, but also be able to watch after the kids while i’m away at work. Problem is, is that our systems are still completly seperate from each other. I have no way of sharing mail with her unless I forward it to her and vice versa, but even more of a headache is that her contacts and my contacts are not the same. i would love a way to sync those contacts so when she needs to get ahold of someone for me she can instead of having to come down to my office to get on my system. Just the same, and most importantly for me is the use of a Outlook Calendar system. In my office at work, the Calendar is probably the second most used tool aside from email that we do on a day to day basis with MS Office. The same coul be said for my home life. I need a way to share a calendar with my wife, or with myself anywhere in or out of my home so I can be up to date with my appointments and my families. I have my PDA that I use to sync my calendar with, but I can’t always take a cell phone or PDA with me where I work. So the ability to log onto my server and see my calendar at a glance would be nice. So many having a central email server we can’t do….but how about at least giving the family a way to have seperate email’s like we do now, but be able to share contacts and calendar with out having the hassle of posting the calendar to the web, where she can’t modify mine, nor can I modify hers.

  • jim

    Troyfrezze has it on the nose, we need a mini exchange (10 client) Why? personal /family contacts, personal/family diary(calendar & Tasks) and email we can still use a pop or imap but to be able to send internal mail without going to the isp would be great. it would also be good if thjere was a login for your mail. it wants to work with xp/vista/7 and with office. could be a addin and at the right price it would be free but would pay if not to steep. come on microsoft you started with a baby it’s growing and developing help it communicate it is your baby but we all love it. ps Brendon if you are looking for a new project i am sure no one in the community would be upset if you used our ideas or sugestions hint!.

  • ExchangeMe!

    The main issue is the cost and complexity of running a fully fledged server and just letting it do basic NAS duties.

    Yes I love my WHS, but I want Exchange ‘lite’ and some media functions and more and better remote access features – including Live Mesh integration.

    Let’s face it. Paying all that $ for a server that doesn’t do that much more than a cheapo NAS device (some which do noticeably MORE than WHS in the media dept and now have backup) doesn’t seem right, especially considering NAS will just keep getting cheaper and more fully featured.

    Should MS just listen to the lowest common denominator and let crappy little NAS devices ruin its new market?

    No…wouldn’t all of you rowdy users just be happy if it’s the same simple OS WITH Exchange and media functions?

    Oh I know, let’s all complain and keep a good product down.

    The authors comments seem to revolve around fires and up time.

    Something that every business has to contend with just the same as a home user.

    The argument makes no sense due to the fact that a WHS user is NOT a big business and will incur the same risks as would a small or SOHO business with a ‘real’ server. MS seem to sell Exchange to them quite happily.

    How hard is it to reconfig an email if your WHS dies? What’s the different if you home PC with all your POP email on it dies?

    Again, the argument makes no sense.

    Linux and NAS will kill WHS without some solid new features.

    Please get with the programme; I really don’t want to go dance with the Penguin and all that command line crap.

  • http://blogs.msdn.com/brendangrant Brendan Grant

    Troyfrezze, I certainly like and agree with your vision… but why do you think such a repository would have to live on ones Home Server rather than in the cloud? My take is that much of what you describe sounds like what Windows Live Calendar is (or nearly is) which today can be synced down to Outlook for offline access… and to a lesser extent what Windows Live People is able to do.

    Jim, I disagree that what Troy describes implies the need for Exchange (a fairly massive product) to solve what is really a fairly simple problem. Email within the home only is also an interesting idea, what advantages do you see it having over traditional email or IM? Sure both require a working internet connection… how often do you think the average home with a Windows Home Server loses its internet connection?

    Sadly though my time is so full with features on our current roadmap I hardly have enough time to look into, let alone work on some of my side projects… though I doubt I’m the only Windows Home Server team member reading these comments… and I will be taking this feedback to some folks on Monday.

    ExchangeMe… you’ll have to give me a little more time to reply to your properly as I have have to step out for a little while.

  • Troyfrezze

    Brendan, thanks for the feedback. As far as why I would prefer everything being on my server and not in the cloud is just that reason right there. It’s a cloud. I do Network Infrastructure on an Air Force base, and that means I deal quite often with down servers, failed lines and plenty of “OMG..the INTERNET is down!” phone calls. There is nothing more frustrating to me as a home user then having to wait to upload large amounts of data to a off-site source, or dealing with something in the cloud when suddenly something in the line goes down. I would prefer control over my own domain. Security in knowing my system is local only to me. With having all this in a cloud on someone elses server, it means I have to deal with that server being down for scheduled updates, or a possible Denial Of Severice attack or anything else that could bring something like that down. Then there is just the security involved in keeping my data protected in the cloud. I would rather just be able to have a service running on my home server that then links to any system in my home that i’m running Outlook on so that it’s always running. At any point in time I can update my sister’s new cell phone number, or a friends new email address over in Iraq or else where and it’s updated instantly only my server so that my wife can pick it up, or if I’m around the house on my laptop, or on either my Axim or Cell phone, then I could possibly see that update instantly. The same with my calendar. If i’m talking to my wife upstairs by either using my big boy voice, or just IM’ing her to ask questions about her plans for the week, or when our kids have there next visit to pediatrics, I want to be able to see the same thing she is seeing in the calendar so I can update it, or she can and we see it change at the same time. I don’t want to say..Crap..what time was my appointment today at flight health, or when was I supposed to meet the guys this week…turn to my trusty calendar and see “we are sorry, but the page you are trying to visit is temporarily down. Please try again later.” I need to know that my system is always up and running and ready for me to use and in the event it needs to be updated..I can schedule that. If there is a server down, I want it to be the one in my home so I can fix it and bring it back up. Plus….it’ needs to be seemless to my family. Sure, I work on this stuff all the time, and my wife has gotten herself in to simple HTML site design for her myspace and other pages..but i know that if she’s required to take more steps then necessary to use a product..it’s not going to be used. Her Email is always running like mine is and we each have our own POP3 email account. So I need to be able to keep it simple for her, and my growing kids who will soon be using my computers for more then just viewing Elmo online and will have there own appointments and contacts I need to keep up with. Thanks again for the feedback. Again, I understand the complications and price involved with trying to run a fully fledged exchange server..but how about something on a smaller scale that can be simply used for contacts and a calendar. Hell, if i had my way..I would love to see Microsoft push out a service like this that would be able to be viewed on just about any device. I keep a Kodack digital wireless frame by my front door on the wall. It does a good job of keeping me up to date on the changing weather here in Alaska, as well as gives me a minute to reflect on my photos. But I would love to see it also sync with my office calendar and with the touch of a button it would pull up that calendar so I can see what i’ve got going on at a glance. It all just makes so much more sense to me. Microsoft is moving towards a connected home. We have “PC’s” that are now linked to our servers, as well as our cell phones and the big push now for Media center (even if the cable compaines are doing everything in the power to keep you from using it!) and so much more. Why not have systems that can talk to each other without the need of a large computer attached to it. Partner with telephone manufactures to get them to make home phones that wirelessly sync to your contacts instead of everytime you get a new phone you have to program the new number. Instead I could simply update that new cell phone number or home phone number on the server and viola…my phones in my home all now show the new number. I have someone over babysitting my boys so the wife and I can go out for once in a blue moon. How about a touch screen device that acts as a photo frame, or dry erase board that is in the kitchen or some other common area that allows me to pull up phone numbers for her to call in the event of a problem. I’m sure you can see where i’m going with all of this. Clearly all that is something a bit further off, but it would all start and work around a home server that is the central location for all this information. Now then…time for me to take myself to bed tonight and get ready for work in the AM. Thanks again!

  • Paul G

    I love my HP EX470, and it has saved my butt a couple times when hard drives failed. And, with the use of Web mail, I don’t feel the need to run any email services through the server.

    What I would like is a more graceful way to store, organize and display photo albums — with meaningful, contextual captions.

    Actually, if there was a way to dovetail the WHS OS neatly with Windows Live services (and there may already be, but I haven’t yet discovered it), that would be ideal, from my perspective: a way to shadow albums on the server with Live Photos, and the same with the blog and mail services.

  • jim

    Hi Brendon thanks for your response.

    I agree and disagree with your comments, What I think most folks are looking for are collaboration tools and the best example is exchange however I agree that exchange is overkill for the tasks of internal mail, calendars, and contacts.

    The WHSmail application would allow you to assign tacks, leave memos manage a family diary and private diaries and family contacts and private contacts. The mail side would allow you to download from an ISP.

    The intention is not necessarily replace your provider for example I have my own domain and also use hotmail but would like to be able to keep mail locally as well as in the cloud as you would always have access to locally saved messages and would be able to pull all to a single repository.

    While we are begging or hinting, I have a few other suggestions your thoughts would be appreciated
    Microsoft have parental controls in vista and XP while this is great you do have to maintain and configure several machines, where is WHSprox which will allow us to manage our kids from one central location.

    And finally the drive extender , I understand how it works however you can have depending on how your machine is set up . The following can occur where 1 or 2 drives constantly getting hammered while other drives can almost be unused. Is there a way that it could be tweaked so that the data can be balanced across all available drives as this would increase reliability as the load would be across al drives instead of a couple .

    Thanks for the great work guys keep it up.

  • Linus

    To me, the main benefit of WHS is Drive Extender. The ability to quickly and easily add different-capacity hard drives to the storage pool without worrying about what data fits and what doesn’t is a huge advantage for me.

    The reason I have not yet switched over to WHS is power consumption. I am willing to leave a 15W device on 24/7, but not a 40W one. I would move to WHS in a heartbeat if it were quick to turn on and off and I could schedule it to fire up in the middle of the night, rebalance drives, and turn off again.

  • Emory Lehman

    Troyfreeze’s second post hit the nail on the head! That is exactly what I would love for my WHS would do, besides what it is doing now on my LAN. I love the nightly backups, a central location for all our media files, a storage place for all my family photos, music etc.

    My family and I would love a way to have contacts, calender, etc. that is shared and easy to access. That way as he stated, if I change a contact in my address book, it gets updated across the LAN, etc. I would love to be able to move our outdated “home phone book” (sans a black binder by the phone) to some sort of electronic contact list. Move or do away with the white board and family calender that are on the fridge to some form of electronic device that can be collaborated by everyone in the family, and editable remotely, etc. I like the idea of it being pushed to one of those photo frames, or any other media server that is on my network. Heck even one of those TV screens on those refrigerators that I saw at one of big box electronic stores.

    I also don’t like the “cloud” idea. Not everyone’s broadband connection is stable, and we do loose ours at lest once a month. It can be for minutes, or days, with no broadband, no phone service, and it is to hard to tether my cell phone with my lap top just to be able to check my email, calender, etc. Plus I am not going to drive down to the local coffee shop just to access my “cloud” to change things, etc.

  • http://blogs.msdn.com/brendangrant Brendan Grant

    ExchangeMe!, it’s true that there are many competitors to Windows Home Server on the market, few offer the ease of setup and development or the power and possibilities that Windows Home Server does. If a person only wants a NAS with limited expandability/reliability… chances are ours may not be the best product for them and a Linux NAS or a Time Capsule may be best.

    On the other hand if one wants a NAS that can easily grow over time, can run third-party (commercial and enthusiast) applications be they be custom built for the specific product or not… Windows Home Server has major advantages over the competition… and these advantages are mounting.

    Yes… the average SBSer is going to have many of the same issues I described with fires downtime that a Windows Home Server user running Exchange… the key difference is that a business is more likely to consider disaster preparation/recovery than a Home Server user.

    It is true that we sell Exchange (and most of our other products) to just anyone who wants to buy… in my opinion though we do not try not to oversell or force people to buy more than they need… this is why there are 6 versions of Vista.

    You are correct that it is not hard to re-configure ones email if ones server dies… that assumes you know how to configure such a thing. If your mail dies on the client you generally will call the ISP for tech support, or restore your client PC to a state when email was working (assuming that an offline client is being used).

    Let’s think about this from another perspective… consider the engineering resources required to make Exchange work well on top of Windows Home Server, be manageable from the console and just as easy to manage as everything else there.

    This would not be a small task when you factor in the required changes to Exchange (so as to keep it from directly competing with a ‘full’ version), removing/replacing the need for Active Directory, the UI design and development, the added test and management costs, a likely end price increase (the Exchange folks need to get paid for their work), as well as an increased level of complexity of the product… all to include a feature that continued market research would not be desired by most users.

    All of this time and money could otherwise be spent on new and better features that the majority of users of Windows Home Server are going to want and use.

    It is all about tradeoffs… and for those who do want to run Exchange or another email server on top of Windows Home Server… we do nothing to stop you so long as your Home Server meets the requirements of the application of your choice, you are free to install whatever licensed software you want on top of it.

    When it comes to Linux and NASes killing WHS without some solid new features… I agree, and I think that we are in a good place compared to the competition and will only extend our lead as time goes on.

  • http://blogs.msdn.com/brendangrant Brendan Grant

    More excellent feedback. Thanks all!

    Jim, at present there is no way to prioritize certain drives or content in the storage pool. There is an enthusiast application called Drive Balancer (http://forum.wegotserved.com/index.php?showtopic=6466) which tricks drive extender to more evenly distribute content between all drives… however there still exists the possibility that frequently used files will still be on the same physical drive.

    Linus, hopefully costs on SSDs will come down further making them an affordable option in ultra-energy efficient Windows Home Servers… until them companies like Tranquil PC have done a great job of designing fairly low energy units (~29watt)… but when it comes to software control for sleeping, that is something we’ve heard many requests for.

    Emory, I certainly can understand your hesitation about the cloud… but what about something like Mesh or even POP3 email where data can exist both in the cloud and locally?

  • MrCrispy

    A few comments on cloud vs local – IMO this is a distinction that should be handled transparently by the software/services layer, and is of no consequence to the end user.

    We already have the basic framework for this – .NET click once lets you deploy an application locally, and if there’s a new version online it will get it instead. The Sync framework and the Azure cloud platform are designed for exactly this. I can imagine a set of services running on the WHS server, but also synced up with a service running on the cloud. All data is available locally in the home network, even when offline. And any changes made at any location are synced.

    As for email, I would say we are long past the point where any home user would want to setup/configure local email clients, let alone servers. WHS is designed for normal users, and we should not require a power user to setup and administer Exchange lite.

    The core USP of WHS is DE, and it can be enhanced further, as well as made more stable, performant and scalable. Syncs across http, support for multiple servers, fault tolerance etc are the kind of things I want to see.

  • ExchangeMe!

    Thanks Brendan, I really appreciate you replying to me.

    I understand the reasoning behind the lack of Exchange and the cost/time implications though I think the market research doesn’t accurately capture the huge benefit WHS Exchange could have on users.

    I don’t think users realise that they could setup a ‘in house’ mail hub where they had access to their mail from any net PC (just like Live mail or Google mail) but they hosted it (so no privacy issues), it automatically mail collected from their numerous mail boxes and it was even accessible offline if they needed to look up calendar or contact info when their connection was down.

    If it was simple (which a basic roll out of Exchange is) and empowered WHS users just like web mail did (but included the more powerful Outlook web) I think users would quickly change their tune and market research would show something quite different.

    Most potential WHS users your research queried probably didn’t understand what Exchange could do for them as it just sounds expensive, complicated and business like – not something for the home user.

    But if it could be cut down and made simpler, users could quickly take advantage of it with netbooks, smart phones and all the net connected mobiles on the market that people so love and it would kick Apple a completely new butt.

    For example, would it be possible to rig up a 10 user, non active dir version of Exchange that just pop’d existing mailboxes? That way WHS users get access to mail from any machine whilst additionally having all the web based remote outlook access tech. No more juggling PST files and a powerful new core.

    I agree it’s difficult logistically, but I am in the position of running a WHS for the drive extender, backup and remote access and a SBS2003 machine just for the Exchange side.

    Even though they both play perfectly and I can use dynamic DNS to link up my non static IP cable internet, I would love to get these two together so it was easy to reconfigure in the event of a meltdown.

    I would be happier to have Exchange ‘lite’ than a roll out of new media features though this would be much to the chagrin of the other WHS users I imagine.

    Looking forward to hearing what’s in store for WHS2.0!

  • Troyfrezze

    I thank you once again of course for the feedback, as well as everyone else here in this thread now.
    I think one of my biggest arugments here to what the WHS is, and who it is marketed to..is that it’s just a server built for backup’s and it’s geared to the general..I have no idea what a server is, market. That may be who it’s geared to, but I would like to think that’s not who’s honestly buying it. I’m sure anyone here could poll there friends and family to find out who has recently seen a comerical for WHS? Who has seen a WHS for sale down at there local walmart, Target or some other store where “most” people would buy from. I’ve never been into my Best Buy here and seen a WHS, let alone have anyone try to offer me one. In fact, the only place I have ever seen a HP WHS for sale is at Office Depot. I don’t know to many average consumers, or friends of mine that ever go shopping there. In fact, I am the only person I know who owns a WHS here in the state of Alaska. Surely there are more, but of all my friends, of everyone I work with at the base’s Network Control Center, it’d say about 80-90% have never heard of WHS, and the few that have..had no idea really what it was for or could do. Even speaking to my counterparts back in San Antonio, have mostly no idea what it is. The people who know what a WHS really is, the ones who are buying it…are the tech geeks and tinkers who like to use something like this. The ones who went out and researched it before it was avaliable. I built my own WHS to fit my needs, and I was excited about the capabilities of it, but was greatly disappointd in the fact it didn’t come with some form of outlook colabaration center. With more and more systems in home, I just didn’t see why MS would leave it to either having a seperate PST file, or having to share it which can cause problems of course. I just really think that microsoft should rethink the market on it’s WHS. I have no problem with it being super simple and geared towards my wife who will never use the thing for anything unless I set it up for ahead of time. Just like XP grew and grew with more features, and just like there are several versions of Vista out there, lets see WHS grow the same way. Lets not hold it back just because we see it for one market. If WHS is to thrive, and grow…then the people who use it, the people who are going to make it big are going to be the ones who make it part of there everyday lives and can show there friends how cool it is. Give us a service pack or power pack or what ever in the future that could give us some enhancments. Don’t always think you have to make everything so sipmle that it has to revolve around the shell interface. I have no problem remoting to my system to work on it or do anything else with it. I’ll tell you this as my parting thing. As I said..none of my friends knew what a WHS was, or what it could be used for. But when ever anyone has come into my home here and seen my wireless photo frames streaming videos, music and photos from my server…when they have seen some of the cool things I have done with it here in my home, or when our family back home in the lower 48 are now able to remotely access my WHS webpage to have access to all my photos we take of the kids…they then learn what all it can do and more. It makes them excited and they want to know more about it. Suddenly, it’s cool to them! At the very least..make plans for WHS 2 and give us two version if need be. One for power users who will do stuff with it, who will make it grow and sale in the first place. And a system for those who are just looking for a simple backup device. I would prefer to just make one device and when you set it up…you tell it what type of GUI you want. Do I want to have full control and be able to change things around..or do I want to just a dumb box that does my bidding.

  • ExchangeMe!

    Troyfrezze has a made a very valid point.

    Who are the real buyers of WHS?

    I don’t know anyone apart from techs and geeks that have bought one and I have never seen a unit, nor the WHS software advertised. Yet it seems like it’s quite a good success considering it’s a home based server OS taking its first embryonic steps.

    I bought the software and built my own machine when it was just released solely because of tech blogs and info online.

    No normal shop or non enthusiast white box vendor would have much of a clue concerning WHS IMHO.

    Everyone involved in is an enthusiast and the general public who are being surveyed and whose feedback are styling its design aren’t really buying it.

    Even computer literate people often seem not to know much about it.

    So I don’t think WHS 2.0 should be targeted to these researched (ahem) ‘users’ but I do still believe the design approach should be centred around simplicity. It’s a winning formulae but a little more complexity for the sake of features would I imagine be well tolerated by the real WHS community.

    It’s like the early days of the PC. It was enthusiast only and as the tech community showed that the PC had a home, well at home, so the PC took off.

    MS rolling a server OS into the home will work in a similar manner and pitching it immediately at low level consumers when these consumers won’t actually be the drivers for the product doesn’t make complete sense.

    It’ll take a few iterations of the software (like Windows 1.0 to Windows 3.1) before it really gets a hold. In the interim the tech faithful should get a decent shake until WHS 3.1 makes the big splash.

    What do people feel regarding this?

  • Jim Clark

    My 2 cents? Well here goes.

    I live in a non-techie home, with the exception of myself. So, the features that are important to me, as the “sole” user is somewhat different than a full-fledged techie household. Although WHS has LOTS of potential as the center around which other computers and digital devices revolve. What should it be?

    1. A back-up/restore device
    2. A media server, as in Media Center. Pictures, music, OTA-TV, cable-TV, Internet TV, movies,etc. A COMPLETE codec set!
    3. An email sync device, although not particularly an email server. Central calendar functions. Central address book. Perhaps along the lines of the Windows Live programs.
    4. Remote access as in xxx.homserver.com
    5. The ability to setup and maintain a “vanity” website.
    6. An easy way to duplicate/back-up the data on the WHS.
    7. I’m sure there are more, these just come to mind ATM. And many of the above are already there.

    Techies aside, any and all the features above (and others that I forgot and perhaps have not thought about) must be simple to setup and implement. WHS has been a success to date as a 1st iteration. But we all must remember that techies alone are not going to support Microsoft. In order for WHS to be the real success that I assume MS hopes for is to invade the home of the average user. 100,000 techie users pales in comparison to the millions of “Average Users” out there.

    So the key word is simple. I have often used my wife as an example of this type of user. She plugs the cable into her DVR. She plugs that cable into her LCD TV. She has instant TV guide. She has instant recording capability. No complex setup. No complex learning curve. Basically, it is plug-‘n-go.

    I realize that a computer/OS will never be quite that simple, but that is the user that MS needs to target to ensure share growth and feature growth in a WHS. Like in the KISS principle. If a feature is there, one will want to use it. Make that one feature too complex to use and it reflects on the overall experience.

    Incorporate features over time. Allow a user to feel comfortable with one feature set. Then add more, as the “Average User” gains confidence in a particular feature set. Do that and WHS could be a killer OS!

    And last, for the record, I can find my way around an OS. I’m pretty capable at figuring out a lot of things. However, I am not an IT expert. Exchange servers, Domain servers, and all the other features of a full-fledged server gives me a headache. So, don’t make the “Average User” become an IT manager.

  • Emory Lehman

    @ Brenden, I do use mesh to access my “usual” client remotely when I am out of town, and it works good so far, it just is a little hard to check/read my email with it, so that is why I am running portable Apps on a thumb drive and read my email when I am out of town. Then when I do get back home I use my “usual” client to d/u, read and store it. I just wish there was a way to share it when I am at home, leaving it on my “usual” system and be able to look at it with my wifes laptop, my sons in his room, the thin client I have set up in the kitchen, or any other client I have on my LAN, when I am logged in as me as the user. I know I can do it with mesh, and do, but going thru a web browser sometimes makes it slow, and difficult to get to. Plus, I am not a big fan of IE, I only use it when I have to. With the shared calender, and contact list it would be so easy for all of us (everyone in my family, when I mean “us”) to use and update, that way when we are looking at it we can see where, and what is planned. And if I update a contact, then they will have the updated info also. I do like the idea if it being synced between my WHS and some “cloud” system, and any changes we make either on my WHS, or in the cloud, it gets pushed to the correct device. As stated from others, it should be easy to setup and use for the “average” user, such as my wife, and my teenage kids.

    About a NAS, I also have one, but it is more of a toy (old computer with little ram, cpu power and 500GB HD) to see what I can do with it. I am running FreeNAS on it and have access to it across my network. Plus it is not in my house, so if I do have a fire, etc. I should not lose too much. It does have all the “important” files on it, family photos, documents, etc.

  • Tim

    Personally, I see the future of any home server product being all singing, all dancing.

    In the not too distant future, home servers are going to be PCBs that are slotted into a standardised cavity wall chassis that also has slots for storage.

    It will be used for everything that you would associate the word ‘Home’ with. So ask yourself, what do you do at home.

    So the obvious home activity needs:
    File Storage – check!
    Computer Backup – check!
    Entertainment streaming – 1/2 check!
    – TV (Broadcast, downloads)
    – Movies (Downloads, on-demand)
    – Music (Broadcast, downloads)

    What other stuff goes on at home:
    Communications
    – Email
    – Telephone
    – Conferencing
    Security
    – A/V
    – Firewall
    – Surf control
    Physical security
    – Security cameras
    – Monitoring
    – Automated timing
    Appliance control/monitoring
    – Heating
    – Lighting
    – Energy consumption
    Collaboration
    – Family diaries
    – To do/Tasks

    So is all of this important to have on premise? I’m not so sure. I currently use Windows Live Admin for my own domain with e-mail, and I use WLM for IM, presence and some conferencing. I use Skype also for audio/video conferencing. All hosted, no problem. What are the benefits to having all of this at home? More control I suppose.

    Better media control and streaming are certainly highly desirable. I want to use my home server array to just record what I tell it to, store, organise and aggregate it. However, I don’t really like MCE so much, so I think it needs to be improved across the board.

    I would however like my home server to be the entry point for my network, and be able to run a better firewall with A/V and surf control on there. And I also want to use WHS as my home security hub, even to record visitors at the front door, may be integrated into an indoor comm system.

    There’s so much a home server will do in the future. Better for MSFT to pave the way, than let somebody else do it.

    Tim