<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Add-In Review: Lights Out</title> <atom:link href="http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/</link> <description>The web&#039;s biggest home server and digital home community, with the latest news, reviews, hardware, software, add-ins and support forums.</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:28:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: We Got Served Reader Awards 2008 - The Winners Announced!&#160;&#124;&#160;We Got Served</title><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/comment-page-1/#comment-4768</link> <dc:creator>We Got Served Reader Awards 2008 - The Winners Announced!&#160;&#124;&#160;We Got Served</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:00:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.wegotserved.com/?p=6072#comment-4768</guid> <description>[...] Rothschink’s power management add-in has just been reviewed by us here at WGS and we loved how easy it was to power on and off computers on the network and [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rothschink’s power management add-in has just been reviewed by us here at WGS and we loved how easy it was to power on and off computers on the network and [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Martin (Tinus)</title><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/comment-page-1/#comment-4767</link> <dc:creator>Martin (Tinus)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:30:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.wegotserved.com/?p=6072#comment-4767</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-10684&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@JeePee&lt;/a&gt; - In short: LightsOutClient is ONLY used for wake up of the server, monitoring is based on WHS Connector. To wake your WHS from the internet you need a router with support for this and then use a website like this one here: http://www.wakeonlan.me/index.php or http://www.remotewakeup.com/en/ For WOL Magic Packet is the required setting for your NIC, Microsoft calls this &quot;Only allow management stations…&quot;.Should you have additional question please use the official support forum here at WGS: http://forum.wegotserved.co.uk/index.php?showforum=89</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-10684' rel="nofollow">@JeePee</a> &#8211; In short:<br /> LightsOutClient is ONLY used for wake up of the server, monitoring is based on WHS Connector.<br /> To wake your WHS from the internet you need a router with support for this and then use a website like this one here: <a href="http://www.wakeonlan.me/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.wakeonlan.me/index.php</a> or <a href="http://www.remotewakeup.com/en/" rel="nofollow">http://www.remotewakeup.com/en/</a><br /> For WOL Magic Packet is the required setting for your NIC, Microsoft calls this &#8220;Only allow management stations…&#8221;.</p><p>Should you have additional question please use the official support forum here at WGS: <a href="http://forum.wegotserved.co.uk/index.php?showforum=89" rel="nofollow">http://forum.wegotserved.co.uk/index.php?showforum=89</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JeePee</title><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/comment-page-1/#comment-4759</link> <dc:creator>JeePee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:33:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.wegotserved.com/?p=6072#comment-4759</guid> <description>Martin,I just bought my Tranquil SQA-5H-2000 and installed your great addin after reading this review. Thanks!&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-10563&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Originally Posted By Martin (Tinus)&lt;/a&gt; Disabling SB Core This is required for all home build machines. I assume that Microsoft has released a hotfix only for OEMs. The original version of sbscrexe.exe is 5.2.3790.3959, on a Fujiitsu-Siemens Scaleo we found version 5.2.3790.4173. The next minor update 0.8.0 of LightsOut knows about this version and does no longer display a warning message. &lt;/blockquote&gt;The SQA-5H-2000 has version 5.2.3790.4173, though there have already been a few auto MS updates, so I don&#039;t know if that was originaly on the whs.&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-10563&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Originally Posted By Martin (Tinus)&lt;/a&gt; You wrote (*) * Shut down the client with WHS still on. * Wait 10 minutes.  WHS does not shut down. This is probably a result of the missing third option on the NIC settings which keep the server active. To verify this I need your log file. * Restart.  WHS goes into hibernation! Hitting the power button required user input to start it up correctly. This should never happen. I will look into this problem and try to reproduce and fix this. On restart the server should always run for 10 minutes. Have you restarted the client also? &lt;/blockquote&gt;I wasn&#039;t sure what to do after reading the review (your reply was not there yet), so I figured I should just follow the instructions in the manual. With one exception, I did enable the first 2 options (&quot;allow computer to turn off&quot; + &quot;allow to bring out of standby&quot;), but kept &quot;only allow management stations...&quot; disabled. It all works like a sharm and I don&#039;t experience the issue mentioned in test 5. I do see in the uptime Diagram that the whs wakes up for 10 minutes or so about every 2 hours (while it should not), so that might be the &quot;Only allow management stations...&quot; setting. I have it enabled now.Leaves me with a question that probably also relates to another reply:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-10632&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Originally Posted By Andreasf&lt;/a&gt;I stream music to a Squeezebox from my WHS, and unfortunately the WHS is not able to stay on when powered up by lightsout. This means that without any PC&#039;s running the music will shut down after ten minutes. &lt;/blockquote&gt;If I am away from home, without any pc running, then the whs is sleeping. 1) What will happen when I access my whs website? Will it wake itself due to the WoL? 2) I supose this is a WoL sent from the router, does that mean the &quot;Only allow management stations...&quot; settings must be disabled? 3) Will lights out put the whs back to sleep after 10 minutes because there are no other pc&#039;s running? Workaround?Also 4) The WoL capabilities setting in the NIC&#039;s advanced settings has a choice between &quot;None&quot;, &quot;Magic packet&quot;, &quot;Pattern Match&quot; and &quot;Pattern Match &amp; Magic packet&quot;. Can you explain what the difference is? I chose the last option (I figured better too much then too less :). 5) I don&#039;t really like having to run the &quot;LightsOutClientService.exe&quot; on every workstation. Why is it needed? If it is to see which computers are still running, why can&#039;t you use the &quot;WHSconnector&quot; service which is already running?Thanks JeePee</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,</p><p>I just bought my Tranquil SQA-5H-2000 and installed your great addin after reading this review. Thanks!</p><blockquote><p><a href='#comment-10563' rel="nofollow">Originally Posted By Martin (Tinus)</a><br /> Disabling SB Core<br /> This is required for all home build machines. I assume that Microsoft has released a hotfix only for OEMs. The original version of sbscrexe.exe is 5.2.3790.3959, on a Fujiitsu-Siemens Scaleo we found version 5.2.3790.4173. The next minor update 0.8.0 of LightsOut knows about this version and does no longer display a warning message.</p></blockquote><p>The SQA-5H-2000 has version 5.2.3790.4173, though there have already been a few auto MS updates, so I don&#8217;t know if that was originaly on the whs.</p><blockquote><p><a href='#comment-10563' rel="nofollow">Originally Posted By Martin (Tinus)</a><br /> You wrote (*)<br /> * Shut down the client with WHS still on.<br /> * Wait 10 minutes.  WHS does not shut down.<br /> This is probably a result of the missing third option on the NIC settings which keep the server active. To verify this I need your log file.<br /> * Restart.  WHS goes into hibernation! Hitting the power button required user input to start it up correctly.<br /> This should never happen. I will look into this problem and try to reproduce and fix this. On restart the server should always run for 10 minutes. Have you restarted the client also?</p></blockquote><p>I wasn&#8217;t sure what to do after reading the review (your reply was not there yet), so I figured I should just follow the instructions in the manual. With one exception, I did enable the first 2 options (&#8220;allow computer to turn off&#8221; + &#8220;allow to bring out of standby&#8221;), but kept &#8220;only allow management stations&#8230;&#8221; disabled. It all works like a sharm and I don&#8217;t experience the issue mentioned in test 5. I do see in the uptime Diagram that the whs wakes up for 10 minutes or so about every 2 hours (while it should not), so that might be the &#8220;Only allow management stations&#8230;&#8221; setting. I have it enabled now.</p><p>Leaves me with a question that probably also relates to another reply:</p><blockquote><p><a href='#comment-10632' rel="nofollow">Originally Posted By Andreasf</a>I stream music to a Squeezebox from my WHS, and unfortunately the WHS is not able to stay on when powered up by lightsout. This means that without any PC&#8217;s running the music will shut down after ten minutes.</p></blockquote><p>If I am away from home, without any pc running, then the whs is sleeping.<br /> 1) What will happen when I access my whs website? Will it wake itself due to the WoL?<br /> 2) I supose this is a WoL sent from the router, does that mean the &#8220;Only allow management stations&#8230;&#8221; settings must be disabled?<br /> 3) Will lights out put the whs back to sleep after 10 minutes because there are no other pc&#8217;s running? Workaround?</p><p>Also<br /> 4) The WoL capabilities setting in the NIC&#8217;s advanced settings has a choice between &#8220;None&#8221;, &#8220;Magic packet&#8221;, &#8220;Pattern Match&#8221; and &#8220;Pattern Match &amp; Magic packet&#8221;. Can you explain what the difference is? I chose the last option (I figured better too much then too less <img src='http://www.wegotserved.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .<br /> 5) I don&#8217;t really like having to run the &#8220;LightsOutClientService.exe&#8221; on every workstation. Why is it needed? If it is to see which computers are still running, why can&#8217;t you use the &#8220;WHSconnector&#8221; service which is already running?</p><p>Thanks<br /> JeePee</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Martin (Tinus)</title><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/comment-page-1/#comment-4766</link> <dc:creator>Martin (Tinus)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:30:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.wegotserved.com/?p=6072#comment-4766</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-10632&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Andreasf&lt;/a&gt; - Yes, this is already planned for a future version, not in 0.8.0 but definitly in the follwing version.Regards Martin</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-10632' rel="nofollow">@Andreasf</a> &#8211; Yes, this is already planned for a future version, not in 0.8.0 but definitly in the follwing version.</p><p>Regards<br /> Martin</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andreasf</title><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/comment-page-1/#comment-4758</link> <dc:creator>Andreasf</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:27:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.wegotserved.com/?p=6072#comment-4758</guid> <description>I stream music to a Squeezebox from my WHS, and unfortunately the WHS is not able to stay on when powered up by lightsout. This means that without any PC&#039;s running the music will shut down after ten minutes. Hopefully a work around this problem will be introduced in future versions of lightsout. Because the rest of the functionalities rock!!Regards</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stream music to a Squeezebox from my WHS, and unfortunately the WHS is not able to stay on when powered up by lightsout. This means that without any PC&#8217;s running the music will shut down after ten minutes. Hopefully a work around this problem will be introduced in future versions of lightsout. Because the rest of the functionalities rock!!</p><p>Regards</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Martin (Tinus)</title><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/comment-page-1/#comment-4765</link> <dc:creator>Martin (Tinus)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:42:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.wegotserved.com/?p=6072#comment-4765</guid> <description>Thanks Jim for your detailed and positive review of LightsOut. Let me comment some of your observations.Disabling SB Core This is required for all home build machines. I assume that Microsoft has released a hotfix only for OEMs. The original version of sbscrexe.exe is 5.2.3790.3959, on a Fujiitsu-Siemens Scaleo we found version 5.2.3790.4173. The next minor update 0.8.0 of LightsOut knows about this version and does no longer display a warning message.Installing LightsOutClient It’s not necessary to copy the installer nor use RDP, simply open \\Server\Software\LightsOut on your client to access the installer. Update 0.8.0 also knows that this share is called \\Server\Logiciel on a French WHS.Chart readability This is indeed a problem when you have a large number of clients. You can lower the number of days displayed. Version 0.8.0 will add tooltips to help identify the machine and the runtime.Test 1 and 4 This is as expected. The NIC and the Bios are responsible for Wake-On-Lan when your WHS is shut down. Some NIC drivers offer additional options not controlled by Windows.Test 2 and 3 This is as expected. In standby the NIC settings have to be changed for Wake-On-Lan to work. The NIC option “Allow this device to bring the computer out of standby” is required and simply enables wake up. But now your WHS will start up by any activity, for example, when your router is scanning the network. That’s the reason for the third option “Only allow management stations to bring the computer out of standby”. Enable this and only magic packets (wake on lan) can start the machine. These settings are documented in the manual and online help of LightsOut.Test 5 You wrote (*) * Shut down the client with WHS still on. * Wait 10 minutes.  WHS does not shut down. This is probably a result of the missing third option on the NIC settings which keep the server active. To verify this I need your log file. * Restart.  WHS goes into hibernation! Hitting the power button required user input to start it up correctly. This should never happen. I will look into this problem and try to reproduce and fix this. On restart the server should always run for 10 minutes. Have you restarted the client also?Thanks for your advice to disable “Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power”. This seems to be one source for some strange issues.Summary I’m not happy with the SB Core situation. I still hope that Microsoft will release a public hotfix for this issue. Your proposal for a troubleshooting section or FAQ makes sense. I will definitely create one.Regards Martin</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jim for your detailed and positive review of LightsOut.<br /> Let me comment some of your observations.</p><p>Disabling SB Core<br /> This is required for all home build machines. I assume that Microsoft has released a hotfix only for OEMs. The original version of sbscrexe.exe is 5.2.3790.3959, on a Fujiitsu-Siemens Scaleo we found version 5.2.3790.4173. The next minor update 0.8.0 of LightsOut knows about this version and does no longer display a warning message.</p><p>Installing LightsOutClient<br /> It’s not necessary to copy the installer nor use RDP, simply open \\Server\Software\LightsOut on your client to access the installer. Update 0.8.0 also knows that this share is called \\Server\Logiciel on a French WHS.</p><p>Chart readability<br /> This is indeed a problem when you have a large number of clients. You can lower the number of days displayed. Version 0.8.0 will add tooltips to help identify the machine and the runtime.</p><p>Test 1 and 4<br /> This is as expected. The NIC and the Bios are responsible for Wake-On-Lan when your WHS is shut down. Some NIC drivers offer additional options not controlled by Windows.</p><p>Test 2 and 3<br /> This is as expected. In standby the NIC settings have to be changed for Wake-On-Lan to work. The NIC option “Allow this device to bring the computer out of standby” is required and simply enables wake up. But now your WHS will start up by any activity, for example, when your router is scanning the network. That’s the reason for the third option “Only allow management stations to bring the computer out of standby”. Enable this and only magic packets (wake on lan) can start the machine. These settings are documented in the manual and online help of LightsOut.</p><p>Test 5<br /> You wrote (*)<br /> * Shut down the client with WHS still on.<br /> * Wait 10 minutes.  WHS does not shut down.<br /> This is probably a result of the missing third option on the NIC settings which keep the server active. To verify this I need your log file.<br /> * Restart.  WHS goes into hibernation! Hitting the power button required user input to start it up correctly.<br /> This should never happen. I will look into this problem and try to reproduce and fix this. On restart the server should always run for 10 minutes. Have you restarted the client also?</p><p>Thanks for your advice to disable “Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power”. This seems to be one source for some strange issues.</p><p>Summary<br /> I’m not happy with the SB Core situation. I still hope that Microsoft will release a public hotfix for this issue. Your proposal for a troubleshooting section or FAQ makes sense. I will definitely create one.</p><p>Regards<br /> Martin</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Home Server Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; LightsOut Review bei WGS</title><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/comment-page-1/#comment-4764</link> <dc:creator>Home Server Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; LightsOut Review bei WGS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:53:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.wegotserved.com/?p=6072#comment-4764</guid> <description>[...] WeGotServed haben sich die Macher der Community nun auch mit LightsOut, dem Add-In von Martin Rothschink beschaeftigt.  LightsOut musste dort einige Tests durchstehen, doch am Ende hat es eine Empfehlung bekommen. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] WeGotServed haben sich die Macher der Community nun auch mit LightsOut, dem Add-In von Martin Rothschink beschaeftigt.  LightsOut musste dort einige Tests durchstehen, doch am Ende hat es eine Empfehlung bekommen. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim Clark</title><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/comment-page-1/#comment-4763</link> <dc:creator>Jim Clark</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:05:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.wegotserved.com/?p=6072#comment-4763</guid> <description>This might be true using Suspend, which puts the machine in a low-power state, but not hibernate.  Hibernate saves your on-state to disk and then powers off.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be true using Suspend, which puts the machine in a low-power state, but not hibernate.  Hibernate saves your on-state to disk and then powers off.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sarah</title><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/comment-page-1/#comment-4760</link> <dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:57:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.wegotserved.com/?p=6072#comment-4760</guid> <description>Something about some PSU they said I could not handle the hibernation?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something about some PSU they said I could not handle the hibernation?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sarah</title><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/comment-page-1/#comment-4762</link> <dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:56:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.wegotserved.com/?p=6072#comment-4762</guid> <description>Help! I used Lightsout for couple of weeks but I think it killed my Media Smart Server messing with the core stuff. I spoke with HP support who told me this would void warranty but did RMA it? is this true? they said the HP server was designed as an always on device and a couple of people told me it is not worth the inconvenience. what gives?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Help! I used Lightsout for couple of weeks but I think it killed my Media Smart Server messing with the core stuff. I spoke with HP support who told me this would void warranty but did RMA it? is this true? they said the HP server was designed as an always on device and a couple of people told me it is not worth the inconvenience. what gives?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Angelo</title><link>http://www.wegotserved.com/2008/12/28/add-in-review-lights-out/comment-page-1/#comment-4761</link> <dc:creator>Angelo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:52:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.wegotserved.com/?p=6072#comment-4761</guid> <description>Hello.. i live in the south of the Netherlands. And i`m using WHS since the beginning. i`m also a favorite visitor of WGS. Lights out is a great add-in. for me it make`s it worth to use WHS always.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello.. i live in the south of the Netherlands. And i`m using WHS since the beginning. i`m also a favorite visitor of WGS. Lights out is a great add-in. for me it make`s it worth to use WHS always.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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